25 – From Refugees to 3P Alcohol Counselors: Stories from Nakivale

0:01Shaleia StephensAll right, so hello and welcome everyone. My name is Shaleia Stephens and welcome to this live podcast recording. And it's good to see some familiar faces here tonight that we are used to seeing every first Thursday of the month from our Transformative Coaching Clinic, like Anthony and Cora and Petra and the many others. We're so glad to have you here tonight— today.

0:27BHi.

0:28Shaleia StephensI'm also joined by Sandra Heim and Sylvia Kittil. And yeah, say hello, guys, and wave to everyone who, in case they don't know you.

0:40BYeah.

0:42Shaleia StephensSylvia, do you want to say hi as well?

0:43Sylvia KittilHi, everybody.

0:46Harry DerbitskyHi.

0:46BYeah.

0:49Shaleia StephensAnd we are all thrilled to have our 3 principals, colleagues, and friends in Africa, and they've come to share their invaluable wisdom with us. And I guarantee you, there's so much that we can learn from their experiences and their insights. And they're going to be speaking all about that with us later on. Our esteemed guests, who you can see already on the screen today, are from the Nakivale refugee settlement in southwestern Uganda. And we're going to be discussing, or they're going to be talking about, the transformative power of the 3 principles.

1:30And their crucial role as 3P alcohol counselors in their work. They're going to be sharing how their work helps people in their community to overcome addiction and heal from alcoholism. Now, you might be thinking to yourself that maybe alcohol doesn't play a role in your life right now, or you don't know anybody who's dealing with this issue. And we want to encourage you to listen anyway very closely to these stories because they contain valuable insights that could positively impact your life in unexpected ways, as the 3 principles always do, regardless of the topic through which they come and are presented.

2:14I want to make some notes in advance about the language and how we'll be connecting with each other this evening, because we have many people here from Germany and Austria and Switzerland tonight on this live podcast episode. We will be speaking in English, and the team from the Naki Valley Department, Alcohol Department, are actually going to be speaking with us even in Swahili, and Philip will be translating to English. We don't want you to worry if you can't understand everything all the time or right away.

2:47It's not so much about the words anyway in this understanding, as you already know, but it's very much about the deeper feeling. And that's what we would love for you to listen to today. It's our goal to some point in the future have this translated to German so that you will have those closed captions as well. And we wanted to make you aware of functionality in Zoom. Maybe you don't know about it, but if you take your mouse and you go down to the bottom of your screen, you should see an option to turn on the closed captioning.

3:23I'm gonna say this in German for the people who are speaking German. Also schau unten auf den Bildschirm, da seht ihr ein Symbol, das steht CC, und dort könntet ihr Untertitel ein- und ausblenden. That's very helpful if you want to have an additional support in understanding the English tonight. We also wanted to let you know that we're sort of in a way in Africa today together with the team, which means sometimes the audio and video and the internet connection aren't always as predictable as we're used to maybe here in Europe.

4:01And we'd like to ask you to have some patience today if things get a little bit, yeah, off balance. Maybe they have to turn their video picture off just so we can hear the audio. Just stick with us in the most present way that you can. And here come a few words about Anakee Valley. You're gonna see or hear also this wonderful gentleman, Harry Derbitsky. He's coming from a totally other place. Harry, where, where are you right now sitting?

4:32Harry DerbitskyI live, I live in a little town just outside of Vancouver, Canada, which is on the west coast of, of Canada.

4:41Shaleia StephensYeah. And Harry came to us to tell us about 3PN Africa a couple of months ago. We got an email from him. And when he first started to show up on our emails, we were— we didn't know who Harry was. We didn't know what the Nakivale refugee settlement is, but he let us know. And he's leading this initiative, and he's going to be introducing the 3PN Africa program when I'm done speaking. And I wanted to say a few words about Nakivale before that. Nakivale is one of Africa's oldest and largest refugee camps and home to over 130,000 people from countries such as the Democratic Republic of Congo, Rwanda, Burundi, Somalia, and South Sudan.

5:27While it offers refuge, the camp's residents face significant challenges, including alcoholism, often linked to past trauma and stresses of displacement. And so today we're honored to host 4 exceptional, and Carrie says the best counselors in the 3P world, namely the 3P Naki Valley Alcohol Department. These gentlemen here that you see before us in these beautiful white shirts and their green collars, maybe you guys wanna give everyone just like a wave and say hi.

5:58BHi.

6:00Shaleia StephensThese individuals have not only overcome the struggles with alcoholism themselves but are dedicated to helping other people in the camp. They work joyfully and tirelessly, applying the 3 principles to create profound changes in the lives of those battling addiction in their community. Today, they will share their personal stories, the challenges they've faced, and the incredible transformations they've witnessed. As you listen, you'll see how the members of the 3P Naku Valley Alcohol Department have grown from refugees to professional alcohol counselors, achieving numerous successes along the way.

6:40This exemplifies one of the powers of the 3 Principles, namely releasing unlimited human potential, and I'm sure you're going to feel that today. While Harry Derbisky leads the 3P in Africa team, Phillips, who you see in the front in the group, serves as the manager of this department, playing a pivotal role in the growing success. Their efforts extend beyond battling alcoholism. They demonstrate that happiness is free regardless of external circumstances.

7:14So guys, let's warmly welcome Harry Derbitsky and the 3P Naka Valley Alcohol Department members. We are very eager to hear and learn from you today. And your incredible work. And thank you all for joining us. Let's get started, guys. And I'm going to hand over to Harry.

7:31Harry DerbitskyHi, everyone. First of all, if you have questions, certainly ask them. And the more relaxed we are, the better it's going to be. When I started writing my latest book, I've written 6 of them, 2 on addiction. But the latest book was called My Statement on Life. I wanted to express it from what I had seen as an original student of Sydney Banks. And, but what happened was Africa took off and the sharing took off, and it all came without any marketing.

8:11Nothing was— I have never approached anyone, and we're doing maybe 20, 25 projects now in Africa. in Uganda, in Kenya. Today, for the first time, we're in the Congo. And, and this is all just happening organically. And so I had to add in the book my statement on life and dreams. This is my dream. I had a dream to share what Sid experienced, and I saw that it was the answer to alleviate all human suffering. And I wanted to be part of that dream. And it came very, very late in my life at 69.

8:54So at 27, I had this incredible spiritual experience of oneness. And then I had to go through life. And as you know, life can be challenging and be interesting. But at 69, I was taken into the world of addiction. So before that, I've never been addicted. I've, uh, never took a psychology course, but the understanding all of a sudden resonated in me. And I went from working with the Native American Indians to working in addiction, working in mental health, being the training director of Back to the Fitrah Mentoring Academy, which is the largest Muslim 3P movement in, in the world, in about 40 countries.

9:51And then out of the middle of the blue, Africa came and it just took off. You see, they were ready. Western world, not so much. They were ready to understand the spiritual nature of the principles, not just the psychological aspects and how it applies to God. They already knew about that part of it. And so when I started to share, often it would just be 15, 20 minutes, and they got it just like that. I went, oh, this is a very receptive crowd, and it just started to take off.

10:33But not every— every— they heard at different levels. And Phillips and his group— Phillips was among the first of the students, and he stayed true to the purity of the principles. He stayed true to knowing that it would help people. And we've grown together, and growing together means we learn from each other together. It is true that I am the head of the 3P in Africa movement with my team, but the first year I— there was teachers. The second year, the students became teachers.

11:18You see how it works? That's what you are going through. You're going through levels of understanding until you can teach. And as you can imagine, in Naka Valley, they have had to do it all with voluntary— no money. We have proven something that is not talked about in 3P. 3P is more powerful than money. We have had to let the power of 3P change them, not Harry, them. And they took it out and found it and took it out to the people. Now, the 3 gentlemen beside Phillips, they have 24 kids along with 3 wives.

12:12And so they had to teach under the most adverse conditions. And then lately we've been able to have a little bit of money through the GoFundMe account and stuff where they've been able to, for one, for the first time in 10 years, eat normal and to pay for their transportation and to have shirts and have— get this— business cards. They wanted business cards and, and all of— but the power is That we are creating a momentum, an energy that is growing together.

12:50Obviously, I'm in Canada. I've never been in Africa, but it's my nature. I like to— I like challenges. I like to go where no one else goes. I don't follow anybody in 3P. I had the best teacher, Sydney Banks. I didn't need anybody else except his teaching. But it took me a long time to, to experience it where I really understood what I had heard. And I was frustrating for Sid because I was a tough student. But I never forgot. I never lost that thought that I wanted to help.

13:35The world. The caring carried me through the tough times. I promise you, if you care about other people, you will make it. If you care only about your world, you will get that at a certain level, but it requires a sharing. If you can't share, you can't grow. It's the law. The world is lost. Because everybody's concerned with themselves. Africa, because they don't have, they have to share. And Phillips and, and the department are really a treat to be in.

14:16We meet, we talk about 3P questions, and we have evolved. And the evolvement is very important to see. They're refugees, losers, the worst of the world. And then I screamed at them, no, you aren't refugees. You're professional alcohol counselors. And that's who they became. I didn't do it. They became it. And guess what? They like it. They like being successful. So with that in mind, we'll pass it on to Phillips, and I want you to listen to, to their wisdom.

15:07I want you to ask them questions. I want you to learn not only from them, but you have to realize you are giving them a great honor. They are thrilled to be here. Thank you. This is their first time they have presented. I have done many webinars and so on with others. This is their presentation, and this department has the potential to change Africa, just like 3P in Africa has the potential, because they have a huge alcohol problem. Not small. Everywhere in Africa, a huge.

15:52And if there's one area that the world is full of, yajinga. See, I know 3 words in Swahili, Sheila. Habari, hello. Asante sana, thank you very much. And yajinga, bullshit. And there's a lot of bullshit, a lot of I Ching in the— in, in it. To be honest, they're all lost. And we've been lucky. We don't have to mix what the world is doing with 3P. We just have 3P. See, the innocence About an innocent mind that doesn't have all the contamination of the nonsense that the world is saying is an easier mind to teach.

16:45Because they— if they grasp the positive feelings and the learning. And what do I teach? We know the 3 principles: mind, thought, and consciousness. I don't teach that. I, I teach that, but I teach it through the love of God and understanding the role of thought. They know the love of God beyond what the Western world does. Not everyone. That's a generalization. But they didn't understand the role of thought. And when they brought— started to understand the role of thought, They understood the love of God more.

17:31Because you always bring it back to the spiritual. And that's what Sydney Banks did. Sydney Banks was a spiritual teacher, and what he taught was a spiritual psychology. So with that in mind, Phillips, before I start to talk too much more, go ahead. And Phillips is going to Take off the video because the sound is better for, for, for that.

18:02PhillipsAll right. Thank you so much, Harry. And first of all, I welcome everyone at this online event, and we are very much excited and happy to be here and happy that we have seen you come to join us today to listen our sharing. So, I'm Tayyiba Phillips, I'm managing Kivaree CPR department. As it was earlier mentioned, I'm also a founder and CEO— CEO Healing Heads, Healing Hearts. He's also based here in Nakivare. So with me here, I have a team of 3 more counselors that are with me here, and we are very happy to be sharing with you our experience on how 3 principles have helped us in seeing, uh, our own beauty in life as we were before.

19:20So, I'm super excited to welcome everyone, and I'm really happy that we have come to understand that happiness, love, forgiveness, contentment, all is coming from understanding these 3 principles. It's also my great pleasure that we found Hari, because before, before we met Hari, we didn't know how life was. We were living a miserable life in Nairobi, but after we had met Hari, He had trained us about civic principles, and we had to understand how life can change.

20:14Not changing by maybe force, forcefully, but willing, willingness to change. Because this has happened as we started sharing in 2 healing circles where I would meet a group of 10 coming into the group and we share, we share their traumatic feelings, they share their stories. But still, it was not enough because people had limited understanding. Even myself as a leader who was leading that healing circle, I didn't have enough experience to make me, like, help people, help refugee community understand that happiness is something free.

21:08But after meeting Hari, it was— it came true. It came true. And we had to get trained, then On how we got trained, we had to pick one member from the healing circle that I was leading who was heavily addicted, and that was Murindangabo, who is here with me. But in that, he was heavily addicted because of traumatic feelings he had, thinking more about the past experience he had. and causing his consciousness level being down and every time going into alcohol.

21:56So, after that, we started sharing every Friday with Hari, and that uncovered the wisdom of not only Munindangawo but even myself. Because He used to think, overthink of the past experience of the life he had encountered in the country from DR Congo, even the life he has seen, bad life here in Uganda, in Nakivare, living as a refugee. But he did not— he didn't know that living in Nakivare, embracing happiness, is something free. So we came and we saw the power of changing thought because he was overthinking, you know, that thought is something that is there.

22:56If you decide to think positive, you will live. But if you decide to think negative, then you will resolve negative The sound is not too good, Phillips. How is it now?

23:13Harry DerbitskyThat's a little better, yeah.

23:18PhillipsSo we had to understand about love and sharing about love. Now, Melinda had to introduce a friend who is also Nehemia Bijeromami. about sharing love. So, because of love, they had to come together and do the training sessions. And they had also to understand that loving God is also vital. And they had to understand that we have free will to think whatever we want, because if we think negative, then we shall feel negative. And they had to understand that Living in life, we are— we have like a— this is what we call a paintbrush.

24:04What we paint is what we see. If we decide that we are going to paint black in our life, then we cannot expect to see light. Because if we decide to see light and we paint white color, then it will be the white color that is going to come out.

24:22Harry DerbitskySo, just a sec, Philip, I'm going to explain that to them. So what, what Phillips is talking about is what the way Sid described thought. Sid described thought as a paintbrush. And in the paintbrush, if you dip the paintbrush in the color black, that is the feeling that you're going to create. It's so the thought creates the feeling. So when you, and if you take the paintbrush out of the color black and put it in another color, that is the color you're going to create.

24:52So that is a metaphor that Sidney Banks introduced in a lot of his teachings. And that was a very effective metaphor for Africa. Just to explain it in a simple way, they like visual, they like simple. I would say the German are a little more— well, I won't get into that, but The simplicity of that metaphor often hit home. Go ahead, Phillips.

25:30PhillipsSo now, after that gradual process from Molindangabo up to Andrew, after learning how to share love, now they understand that sharing— you share love and you receive love. They came to love each other, inviting them to the department. Now they have now gone outside, loving their families, loving their neighbors, and even sharing them with the community, so that everyone can feel free, can understand that wisdom lies within and love is the answer.

26:11Also, they have come to understand that forgiveness, forgiveness is so vital in life, because they didn't know that forgiveness starts with their own selves, with our own lives. Now, we have learned about forgiveness, and we are still moving into the community, sharing about forgiveness, sharing about love.

26:36Harry DerbitskyThank you.

26:37Phillipssharing about feelings, that if you have a negative feeling, then automatically it will— you cannot have a negative feeling, then you think positive. So people in Nakivare being war victims, they needed 3 principles, and we are sharing 3 principles all over Nakivare. So we have been able to set more other satellite departments from Nakivale CPR department. Now we are setting more departments in different villages so that we can be reaching out to many people in the settlement to make sure people come to understand about how 3 principles work, how love is so much important in our lives, understanding that Love of God is so vital because sometimes here in Africa, or even in Nakiba, you find someone has gone to church, but then after coming in tomorrow, he has not— he's just gone, he's going to church, but after leaving the church, he has not even got the meaning of what was in the church, what was just preached in the church, just going to the church.

27:53So it is now becoming a practice to understand that love starts with the— with our own feelings and sharing love, we have to receive love. So it is being now practical into Nakivale and people appreciating it. And, uh, we are very happy that over, over 200 people are now understanding Seed Principles and they have been helped because there is a major challenge here in the camp of trauma. people, because they have lost a lot of their property, because they have lost everything from their countries, because they are living without houses, because they don't have water, because they don't have clothes, they've been having this sort of overthinking over their head.

28:42But they have come to understand that it's the free will to think whatever we want in life. If we like to think negative, then the negativity must arise. But if we decide to think positive, then the positivity must also arise. So I'm very happy to share with you.

29:01Harry DerbitskyAnd, uh, of course, I just want to explain, Philip, just a sec, just for the audience. Nakavali is, is not one settlement, it's 78 villages. So, so the So now they, with the donations, they've been able to take a motorcycle. They have to rent it, and then they get to go to all the other villages around. Not all of them, but they're spreading out more and more. And what Phillips is talking about love is the way Sid defined love. Again, lack of negative thinking.

29:42BYeah.

29:42Harry DerbitskyAs soon as you do, as soon as the lack of negative thinking automatically creates a loving space. So, um, go ahead, Phillips. I'm sorry for interrupting you, but I just wanted to clarify that.

29:57PhillipsOkay, no problem. So we have been, um, already we are successful because, uh, we have seen, um, changing lives of the people. through sharing, because when we are sharing, we are growing. But still, we face different challenges, as I mentioned, and we still have our GoFundMe fundraiser moving on, that we have almost 11 items that we are looking at. Like, we don't have department office, and that when we have a department office, we'll find— Many people in Nakivale can know that if I need, let's say, addiction healing program, even if they don't come to me because we may not be able to reach all of the villages, people will be accessing us at the office.

30:56Some are in the village moving. So we don't have a department office in Nakivale. When we are like, even now when we are sharing, we use internet. We have limited internet. We don't have a computer or printer and stationery because people in Nakivale, after they have studied 3 principles, we have materials to distribute to them so that when they read, even if someone is at his own home, he will come to read the recovery story of, um, and the story itself will help to heal him.

31:33FThank you.

31:34PhillipsSo we still need printer and computer to do that. We don't have chairs. We don't have transport like motorcycle to make sure that it can help us to move from different villages. Solar panels, facilitation for counselors, because people here, these counselors have been sharing into the community, moving from Monday to Friday, visiting different villages. But still you find someone is not facilitated, has not taken even water, no transport, everything.

32:09So we are very happy that as GoFundMe has started, has been raised, we have been able to receive 598 donations and we have been able to process business cards. Even this internet we are using goes through the donations. And many more people have— the cancer has been able to receive very good food. So we are very privileged to share with you, and we look forward to continue the work. So I will extend the sharing to now my colleagues to share their stories as we move on. There are 3. Then we can continue. So we are going to start with Murinda.

33:02Harry DerbitskyPhillips, you're gonna have to— yeah, it's good to show, but after that you'll have to shut your audio. Just your audio only. Yeah. Mahindra is 67 years old, which is, by the way, 90% of the students that I have in 3P in Africa are under 40. So it's— this is unusual. We have actually attracted as counselors elders.

33:49PhillipsOkay, so Murinda is going to share, and, uh, of course he will be sharing in Kiswahili, but I will be doing translation into English. Uh, greetings everyone, I'm called Murinda. I'm from Congo and I'm by tribe. I lived in Congo for some good time, some long time. Then now War had broke out in Congo, and we had to run from Congo and come to to Nakivari because they had taken everything. We lost everything, and even our houses were burnt. Killing people.

35:01I think when I was in Congo, I used to take a lot of alcohol. Because I had a lot. Even I could sell my cow and I take alcohol. But when everything was taken, even people were killed, even they kidnapped my young brother, so I had to run to Nakivale. Now I'm living here in Uganda. So living here in Uganda, I had nothing, even a crone, no food. So I was seeing even life is becoming more harder. So I had, I was, I had to overthink. I had to ask my wife, maybe we go back in Congo.

36:05If we die, we die there. Because in Congo, still there are problems, but maybe we just go back. But for the good luck, God has done a great thing. I had to meet with Philip and he had to share with me. And he had shared with me about stopping drinking. And I could not even understand because I didn't know what he was telling me about. Because I thought It is just a shame because I was seeing everything. Everything is buying with money, even taking alcohol.

37:06But through sharing, through sharing, I started now running. Now, what he was sharing to me, I started loving myself. Even my wife had to see that I am changing. It has started entering into my mind. Now, this alcohol department, it has helped me so much because I started loving myself. Because right now my, my, my wisdom has been uncovered. Because even I was overthinking, but right now I'm living better. All is coming from same place. So I'm now— I, I saw— I have now seen light.

38:09And I'm very grateful for Harry because it was a surprise to me. Because from my— from Congo, it's my first time to see a white man, even speaking with a white man. But it was— I became very happy. And what you are sharing to me, He was sharing true love, and I had to embrace it, and I had to see that God is very good. So I had to feel better, and I started thinking positive, and my wisdom has been All the darkness that I have in my head disappeared.

39:11Everything was clear. I started now sleeping well. I started feeling happy. I started feeling love. I started forgiving myself. Even forgive— forgiving others. After feeling forgiveness, I had to understand that it is a very strong medicine. Because it had to sweep away all my negativity. So, I had to feel positive. So, it is good, I started sharing with others. I started moving around and it has been so good. Even sharing with my friend Nehemia these good teachings, because I had already tasted very good food, I said I cannot just eat it alone.

40:26I encouraged my friends. Also joined me and is still also feeling good. So, 3 Principles has changed me, has changed my family and the community because it has just brought us from far. Because of the overthinking, we use it to think a lot, and it was not helpful. So I started sharing with others, teaching with others in the community, because other people in the Kivari community have been facing this difficulty of alcohol. Even some that were from Congo or some from different countries.

41:27Those that have been here, I started now moving to them, sharing to them my experience. Every day I have to move and, uh, I share my, my experience to them and they are changing and they are appreciating the work I'm doing. So I'm very happy. So we are sharing, but we still lack— we still lack some transportation, some chairs, even internet use, even the phones. I'm moving as a counselor, but I don't even have a phone. So we still have some The sound, Phillips, is tough.

42:28Harry DerbitskyJust give it a break. I'm going to say a few words right now. Marinda was the first person to have the breakthrough. He set the example for the other 2 gentlemen. So he, all 3 of them were very heavy into alcohol. And, and Marinda had a very deep spiritual insight. He accessed his wisdom. And when he accessed his wisdom, he even said, I can't even stand the smell of alcohol. And he went and he became happy. The 3 went, the 3 men that you're going to listen to, and I'm sorry for the, for the poor quality sound.

43:17The 3 men, their wives came to me. We had a little ceremony and all 3 wives, and you know how hard it is sometimes for women to compliment their husbands type of thing. I don't, I'm, you know, they all came and said that the change in the gentlemen are amazing. Their lives have changed totally. Their whole existence is just changed from negative to positive, to beautiful feelings shared. And they were so respectful, so appreciative of their husbands because they have changed and dropped the alcohol.

43:56So because Marinda had his breakthrough, he set the example. And Nehemiah said, gee, I'd like some of that. And he changed, and Nehemiah changed, and Andrew changed. And, and they all 3 are living examples of the power that alcohol is not a disease. They have left it totally behind, and they've gone out into their community. And because they've continued to share it, they've grown and grown. And the department has grown and grown, because you can see I'm in Canada.

44:35I've never been to Africa. I can't teach the people in Naka Valley. I teach different people in Naka Valley, but, but I can't. They're going out, they're making the change. And of course, you notice they're teaching in Swahili, which is the main language there. English, Swahili, and French. But Swahili is the, is the, is the main language. So they're, they've, they've set something in motion. And as they've continued to grow, they've, they've created their own momentum.

45:14They created a momentum where now they're going out trying to get people to go on shows, and they approached Jack Pransky, and he came and talked to them about Modelo. And, and shared, but he got touched. Dickon has come. Dickon, this is very important to understand about what we're doing. I did not ask Dickon for help. Dickon came to me and asked if he could be on the show because he felt the energy of, of, of what's happening there. You want to feel the energy.

45:55That's the way— that's the way it was with Sid. If you felt the energy and were along with the story, you were growing. But if you didn't feel the energy, you got left behind. That's the way of 3D. It's energy. You either pick it up or you don't. Shayla picked it up, and she picked up, and because of it She's enriched. And of course, the fact that she's enriched enriches us because she gives us this opportunity to share. So it's just a growing, impossible to see except from the inside reality.

46:40What 3P is about is not following the icons. That is not 3P. Sydney Banks's 3P is your connection to God. That's your— that's what you're looking for. What is your relationship to God? And what does it mean to be able to share with a world that doesn't want to hear? It's part of the journey. And so you can see why I'm so thrilled, because people want to hear in Africa, of all places. They want to hear. You know why? They're tired of being unhappy.

47:30The Western world, they say, give me the money, I'll take the unhappiness. But they're— they don't have the money. So they have, but they don't want to be unhappy anymore. And of course, what's amazing is we actually have the ultimate answer to alleviate all suffering. It's incredible. So Phillips, go ahead and introduce the next guy. Where is Phillips? Oh, there you are. Sorry. You bounced around in the pictures. I didn't spot you.

48:05BYeah.

48:06Harry DerbitskyAnd by the way, Marinda, that was beautiful sharing. Some of it was hard to hear, I'll be honest, but not because of what you said, but because of the static. But beautiful sharing. So let's move on to the next guy because time is moving on.

48:25PhillipsYeah, we are going to hear from Nehemia, who was our Our second client joined, also a professional counselor, now, uh, healing people around, uh, sharing his, uh, addiction experience. Greetings. Yeah, I'm very happy to meet all of you. And we have met you when we were in Congo. We encountered— and we had to run from there. And we left there, but we left everything as we had gone. Even people had lost lives. Because I had my relatives, uh, he was shot in the leg.

49:34So I, I was feeling a lot of fear. After feeling a lot, uh, having a lot of fear, I just spent 3 days in the bush. Because I was having, um, I was fearing that even myself, they may kill me. So I had to run to Uganda. I came to Uganda. Reaching here, I didn't know how to drink alcohol. I was not taking alcohol. Even in Congo, I was not taking Narco. But reaching here in Nakivale, I carried my, my past challenges. Now I found some other challenges in Nakivale, so I started taking Narco.

50:37I started taking. I had to drink. I could drink, even stay— even I could not even sleep. I would drink a lot. And I used to drink. Even my wife had already felt bad with me. small things, I could run into alcohol. If I get something at home, I just go sell it, I go to alcohol. Even I, I get my own clothes I used to wear, I sell it, I go to take alcohol. But after one day, I had to see my friend, Murinda, coming to me. He came sharing good message to me.

51:47He came telling me that we should go together and we start learning, start training. But even me, I didn't give him my ears. But inside my, my thinking, I started like feeling it. I had to come. So also I joined him. I had to meet Philip, also with Harry, and I started training. And in that training, I started now eliminating alcohol from my mind because in my mind I had— it would just— so I started stopping gradually. Eventually I stopped. And, uh, I had to listen, and the way I listened, also I had to share with others. And how I shared to him, and also he had to understand about rap, and we started rapping together.

53:17Harry DerbitskyAnd all of us But the sound is no good. The sound is no good, Philip.

53:28PhillipsSo, how is it?

53:40Harry DerbitskyNo, I can't hear. Say it again.

53:43PhillipsIs it somehow clear there? You can hear?

53:55Harry DerbitskyThat was clearer.

53:59PhillipsOkay. After now understanding, I started forgiving because myself had to forgive myself. And I even forgive others. Even others, others also started sharing love, all that. Because there is a lot of people taking alcohol, but we have started now sharing to them. Because people are taking a lot of alcohol, thinking that it could be the solution, but they have now started listening. They have now started listening and they have forgiven themselves.

55:00Even God is helping them because forgiveness is vital. Because they are now forgiving them. Because we have also shared our experience. But here in Akivari, we have found a lot of challenges. Because of limited food. Because of limited clothes. Even sharing these sleeping schools to different villages without transportation. We don't have even chairs. We don't have anything that can help us to push us, share 3 principles with other villages. Even a phone, we are lacking.

56:00But we are lacking all those, but we are sharing love. But God is still helping us. But we are still moving with our legs and we share love with others. And moving like that, right now we have a beautiful feeling because we are helping each other. We are helping each other to understanding the road of thought because we have forgiven ourselves. And those ones who are still overdrinking, they have come to understand. So may God bless. That's the sharing from Nehemia.

56:56Harry DerbitskyOkay, I'd like to say a few words now. You hear a lot about forgiveness. Forgive— forgiveness, as taught, as we teach, is to forgive is to forget. You're still thinking about it, you haven't forgiven. Now, when you come from a hellish background from the past, as an example, you have a family and you have 30 cows. And you have a nice house, not nice house by German standards, but by African standards. And, and, and then another tribe comes and says, you have to leave.

57:36And they burn the house down and they burn all the relatives' house down and they kill the relatives and they cut the brother up into little pieces. And then you have to run away scared with nothing but the shirt on your back. And you have your 10 kids and you lose 2 of your kids. on the way because of the getting lost in the city and so on. And then you land in Naka Valley. You could imagine that there, there would be a little bit of hatred in there.

58:05And so they have had to learn the power of forgiveness. And, and as, as I see it, love and forgiveness are like brother and sister. If you can't forgive, you can't love. And so they have had to experience that from a wisdom perspective, from an inside perspective. And that, that, that has been a common theme of many of the top— with all the groups, the forgiveness is a requirement. We, of course, have to learn to forgive as well with all the horrors that the world is in right now type of thing.

58:43And so It's, it's just the, the, the, the power, the power of, of, of that. And Nehemiah took, took that, and he then he understood about thought. So he had to go through the forgiveness to go through, and then he said, oh, it's thought. And of course, when he saw that, So first, Miranda saw wisdom, accessing inner wisdom. That was his insight. Miranda's insight was he understood about the role of thought. And then he— so that's what he shares with the people.

59:27It's always the purity of the principles was what you're sharing. You don't— the outside circumstances. Well, that's just the outside circumstances. We can— we all can have a beef about life. But can we enjoy the moment free of the past memories? That is a real, really interesting question. Most of the world cannot. That's the reality that they live in. You're the lucky ones. You are the lucky ones. You have reached a point of letting those past memories go. And you've reached a point, every time you let it go, you experience changed thought the way Sid meant changed thought, not psychological. So, okay, uh, next one please. Moving on.

1:00:33PhillipsSo we have next is Andrew.

1:00:39Harry DerbitskyThe sound is— can you make the sound better?

1:00:45PhillipsAm I somewhat better?

1:00:51Harry DerbitskyPretty good. Okay, go ahead.

1:00:58PhillipsOkay, so let's hear from Andrew Rumbukuza, who was also our last client to join the department, also a professional counselor for now. Greetings everyone, I'm called Andrew Rumbukuza, I'm also from Congo. I'm living here as a refugee. I'm just— I'm living here with a family of 9 members. The way I left Congo, I lost everything, and others were lost. We had to run just to save the life, reaching there in Uganda. Of course, we had to experience also new life of living as a refugee.

1:02:14We had to lack food. We didn't have anything. So, because of all this now, I had a lot of overthinking. And my wisdom now was covered. I was just living in a covered way. So I used to just move, move, but I didn't even know what I'm doing in life here in Nakivale. So I started now taking alcohol, thinking that maybe when I take alcohol It will be the solution, because I had lost hope. But then after, I came to meet the department, and then came to meet with Philip, and we started sharing.

1:03:39When I started now entering into the group, now I— like, my wisdom that was covered, it became uncovered. So I started now feeling hopeful. So I started now loving myself. Because I had to guide my thinking. Even from there, I had to stop drinking. We have continued sharing. And with Hari, he has done great work to see that and he had to understand into English. So I've seen that 3 Principles has been a gift to us in Nakivale because right now I have understood about love.

1:04:57Because before I was living like a chicken, but right now I'm living— I'm an eagle. I'm now sharing my beautiful experience to other people. Because right now we are sharing the experience that we have seen. And of course, we share this because it is connected to loving God. Because we have come to understand that if we are near God, then we are not going to have such a difficult time. And we are very happy that we are sharing. And we are very happy that even the refugee community has welcomed our sharings because when we share to them, they are loving what we share and we are also growing through sharing.

1:06:13And after understanding, and, uh, we have come to understand that we are living with like 2 animals in us, uh, the black one and the white one. But if we decide now to feed the, the black one, then that is the negativity. But if we follow the white one and we feed it, then we see the beauty in life. So we have come— I have come also to see that happiness is something free. And of course, is applying happiness, we have, we have, we have forgotten the past and we are living in now.

1:07:05Because right now we are living happy, and we have understood that we have free will to do what to think what we want and to do what we want. We have understood that if we are not we don't have love, then we are far from God. Now we are loving neighbors. Even the family members, even living happy. And that is the beautiful feeling we are having, though we are still living as refugees, but we are so glad that we came to understand the 3 principles.

1:07:55And right now we are very happy. Because we're happy to share with you, all visitors. Because seeing you here is also— and we are, we are together and we shall keep sharing. And I'm saying love is power. And, uh, together we do our best and God does the rest. Okay, thank you.

1:08:38Harry DerbitskyIt's like, so you, you hear the word love, which is another key word. The reason we started to talk so much about love Was that Mohindo, who comes from another village, said to me, we, we really believe in God, but we don't trust love. I said, that doesn't make sense to me. But because of all the horrible things they experienced, it, it got removed from— with no hope, no love. And so they experienced that. Now we have the 4, this department, and they're going around.

1:09:23We also have a satellite office, a satellite village in a French Sudan village where we teach as well. I teach on every Wednesday, or they teach. And, and so there's a satellite office there. We have that, and then we have the We have the department, the team going into all— into expanding number of villages within it. And whether people stop drinking alcohol or not, I can promise you one thing. The spiritual growth is amazing. They are growing and growing and growing.

1:10:05People are getting happier by being exposed to these gentlemen. They're getting— they're getting They're, they're getting a deeper understanding. They're having hope. And as you know, without hope, you're not going anywhere anyway. And they're having successes, and people are talking and sharing. And they're talking and sharing. This is very important that you have to understand. I don't teach 3P. I teach 3P as it relates to what's on your mind. We have to understand what's on your mind to be able to help people and relate that to it type of thing.

1:10:49And that's what they're doing. They're able— they understand what the villagers are going through, what the people are going through. It gives them a heads up. But because they have their own wisdom, Not Harry's wisdom, their own wisdom. That's what they're taking. That's what's changing the people. They are changing the people, not Harry. Harry understands one thing: he's just an ordinary guy, but with the power of the 3P, miracles happen. Sometimes little miracles, sometimes bigger I don't know how Africa took off.

1:11:36All I can tell you is I followed my nose. That's it. It was just, it just happened. I did nothing. I'd never been there. None of it is. And now we're in, in, in Naka Valley. We're in northern Uganda. We've got 5 projects in Kenya, and now we're in Congo. And what created Congo, which is obviously a center hole? King Leopold from Belgium. He lied to the world of what he was doing there and took up— they did things like they would have to put the rubber on their body so they could peel it off and sell it.

1:12:20And if you didn't do it, they'd cut off your hand. That's Belgium. That's the creator of the colonization that created all of this mess. Europe did it. We are the cause of all of this human suffering. Who supported Leopold? United States. As soon as they supported, everyone agreed with them. So you see, we have a responsibility if we can get out of our own heads and stop worrying about our own life. It's so humbling to see how selfish and greedy I was until I heard people who didn't have anything. And look what we have. It's amazing. And do we appreciate it?

1:13:18BNo.

1:13:20Harry DerbitskyAll we do is complain. I can't understand Canada. The story I tell people— this, they can't believe this story. In Canada, we have lots of money, lots of cars, lots of houses, lots of clothes, lots of food, but we're unhappy. And they go, why? And you know what the ant that comes out with from them? Oh, they don't know about how to share love. Problem with the world. So let's open it up to questions if you guys have any questions before we call it a day.

1:14:00Shaleia StephensMaybe, maybe while everyone's having a sit with what they might want to say, is it okay, Harry, if, if Phillips translates something from, from us to the team?

1:14:20Harry DerbitskyOh, well, that's the only way.

1:14:23Shaleia StephensOkay, great. Phillips, Phillips, will you translate to, to the team from me? Yes. Okay. Yes. Thank you. So I just wanted to say from all of us, thank you so much. Just right now. You've touched our hearts. You, you are our brothers and we are your sisters here. Your stories are, are great treasures that you brought to us today. And even though our lives and our stories may look very different, we are exactly the same. And this understanding of the 3 principles changed our lives.

1:15:45We share it with our friends and our community the way you do. And we are the same. So we love you and we thank you. And we're going to open up for others to say something that they have on their heart. Maybe questions, maybe just something they want to share. Also traut euch, das ist so wichtig für sie, von euch zu hören. Meldet euch, wenn was gesagt werden möchte.

1:16:53Sylvia KittilUm, hi, Sylvia. I'm from Vienna in Austria in Europe. And first of all, really thank you very much for your sharing your stories and being here with us today. Um, maybe I didn't hear it, but I would be very interested for me, how long do you do this work already? Maybe I overheard it. How long do you do this work already with, in, with this, in this community?

1:17:27Harry DerbitskyAbout a year.

1:17:29Sylvia KittilAbout a year.

1:17:30Harry DerbitskyI've been, I've been in, in Africa for a year and a half now. Okay.

1:17:35Sylvia KittilWow. That's very, in a very short time. It's amazing what's happening in this very, very short time.

1:17:46BWow.

1:17:47Sylvia KittilThank you. Thank you for your work.

1:17:49Harry DerbitskyIt is amazing. Power of the 3 principles.

1:17:53FThank you.

1:17:57Shaleia StephensThank you, Sylvia. Sandra, would you like to say something while maybe some other people are still thinking?

1:18:17BYeah, so thank you very, very, very, very, very much. I'm afraid that I have to cry. Well, all your stories really touched my heart, and when I'm touched, I often have to cry. So, um, so I think the whole, the whole sharing was so beautiful.

1:18:58Harry DerbitskyThank you.

1:19:08BAnd it all started with a dream, and it was Harry's dream 40 years ago. So, and I think that is the first amazing thing I heard, that your soul has a dream, and when you stay with this dream, one day God will answer.

1:19:46Harry DerbitskyThat's a fact. Sid said if you have a thought, And you don't let it go, it will come true. And at 65— I'm 78 now— at 65, I said, I guess he's— he was wrong. It didn't happen. And then at 69, I said, oh, he's right. I just didn't let it go.

1:20:16BYeah. And what, what I hear in that is this Um, we never know when God answers our longings and wishes that are true in our heart, but that it's not up to us. It's not up to our personalities. It's not up to our control. So we can surrender to that. And enjoy, enjoy life in the meantime.

1:20:52Harry DerbitskyAnd participate. You participate with God. You don't just— the surrender is, is absolutely 100% correct. By the way, that's what Muslim means, to surrender to God. And so you're 100% correct. That's what we do. We surrender. But we— but, but you don't just wait, you participate. How do you participate? Good thought.

1:21:27BAnd then, uh, every one of you shared so beautiful what they saw. And, um, like Miranda, he was sharing how Um, he opened, opened himself up to love and how love and understanding helped him to let the darkness be washed away. And I just honor so much this, um, willingness to take this leap of faith. And, um, Nehemiah II sharing, um, Yeah, he— you, you were all sharing about forgiveness, and, um, I think, uh, in our lives here, sometimes we hold on to little conflicts, like this person said something and then 10 years later you're still angry.

1:23:02And, um, to hear from you what, what you forgave, uh, the loss, the whatever has been caused by this, uh, war, and that you were able to be so much grounded in love. that you just forgive and forget. That to me is, um, um, yeah, a very deep inspiration, and I think to all of us. And Um, yeah, and then Andu Rusa and all of you, what you said is that you— that sharing is growing. And, um, I think this is what we all can also take from this, is like we all have seen something like you did, seen something that is True, true for every human being.

1:24:26And that sharing, um, can be talking about it, but sharing can also be being in this good feeling and being in love and just carry this love and good feeling with you and, uh, love other people the way they are.

1:24:49Harry DerbitskyAnd care.

1:24:55BAnd, and then there's the saying that we are a, a billion human beings— no, we are one spiritual being, having a billion human experiences. And this is also what I heard, like, that we are all brothers and sisters, like Shelly already said. I felt like we are all sitting together in your room and we belong together. So thank you very much.

1:25:35FThank you.

1:25:36BFor this, for everything. And thank you, Shellya, for, um, um, connecting with Harry and making this possible.

1:25:45Harry DerbitskyIt, it was the feelings you guys had that attracted me. I want you to know that I, I could go anywhere, but I don't want to go anywhere. I want to go where the feelings are. And I felt that feelings on your show. It wasn't what you were talking about, Sheila, and your partner. It was the, it was the, the feelings of caring, of energy. And, and that's, that's what makes us brothers and sisters. So even though I had never met Shayla. I wanted to participate with her, and I still haven't met her physically, nor have I met any of these people physically.

1:26:42Shaleia StephensTo be— you have to be careful, Harry, what podcast you listen to. Then you get stuck with people.

1:26:50Harry DerbitskyThat's it. There we go.

1:26:55BYeah.

1:26:56Harry DerbitskyWell, one, one thing I am really good at, Jim Beck, who's a member of the, of the 3P team, said Harry's like a bloodhound. He can smell out where the projects are. And I, and I, you know, with a lot of seasoning and so on, and I, that's what I look for. It's the same thing in Africa. There are many people who come to me for money. But they're not interested in 3P. They say they are because they want the money. You have to wean them out. These gentlemen deserve what they have achieved under the most difficult of circumstances.

1:27:44And I want to emphasize something. We have been with Minimum money, and a lot of it my own little bit of money. We accomplished what $50 million projects have done, and I'll compare our results to any of them. We've been lucky we haven't had money. It would have destroyed it. They're now ready to receive.

1:28:20BThey're not—

1:28:21Harry Derbitskythey're strong in their understanding. You can't send people who aren't strong in their understanding. The money will, will, will twist their minds into, into these crazy areas. So we've— I'm glad we haven't had— we've had to do it on a On, on creative ideas with nothing given. And yet so much in a year and a half, as you notice, Sylvia, so much. That's the power of spirit.

1:28:59PhillipsHmm.

1:29:00Harry DerbitskyWe're so caught up in this material bullshit world. You taking it with you? I didn't notice anybody taking it with them. But oh, it's so obsessive. Human beings have unlimited human potential. Why should only a few of us have that? Just doesn't make any sense to me. These gentlemen are our inspiration that outside circumstances do not control our destiny. And they have had to learn to experience their own self-esteem. And guess what? It looks to me like they're doing it.

1:29:59Shaleia StephensThey are, they are. I wanted to, I wanted to say, Harry, before we end up going our separate ways, um, I wanted to mention the GoFundMe account. Um, I don't know if Sandra or Sylvia can post the link that I gave you earlier into the chat for anybody who wants to contribute to this beautiful work. I'm going to do that today when we hang up. Just so you know that that's a possibility.

1:30:31Harry DerbitskyAnd to understand what a little bit of money means— food, transportation, data. They're not on— like, we have that unlimited data. They pay for their time with the quality, and they run out of, you know, and that's food out of their mouth, which is minimal to start with type of thing. But they're rich, they're rich, they're rich, they're rich in what they shared with us. They're rich what they give. And to see the growth in that human beings. It's like watching kids grow, and they grow up beautiful.

1:31:23And when they grow beautiful— I have 3 kids. I don't care if they're successful, but if they have a smile on their face, checkmark. That's all I care about. And these 3 gentlemen are putting smiles on a lot of faces.

1:31:39Shaleia StephensThey certainly are. They certainly are. Anyone else who's feeling a little shy and now really wants to still say something to these beautiful people before we leave for today, this room?

1:31:57FI would love to say thank you to all of you. I am deeply moved and touched by all your stories. And, um, I will leave this, this room, this, this meeting as another person. Um, I'm not coming from the 3-principle world, but I'm part of Shellya's world, and, um, I know God, and that's why I wanted to participate, because of the energy that I felt. And I'm so glad that I that I followed this impulse. It, it was an hour and a half, but it changed so much. And I want to say thank you from the bottom of my heart that you do this work. I have no words for this. Thank you so much.

1:32:53Shaleia StephensThank you, Nicole. Anyone else?

1:33:05BOkay.

1:33:27Shaleia StephensSo thank you everyone for being here tonight, and it was such a joy. I feel so happy. I feel so happy to have spent this time together. And maybe we come and spend some time with you again, Phillips and the team. Maybe we have something to share that may be interesting for you and your community, and Harry will let us know if that's the case. And we're here for you.

1:33:54Harry DerbitskyAnd anything, anything is possible. I, I have no— I am very good in the unknown. Anything is possible.

1:34:05Shaleia StephensAnything is possible.

1:34:07Harry DerbitskyWe have, we have made a nice connection. That is obvious. It's a fact. Let us let it grow.

1:34:14Shaleia StephensLet it grow.

1:34:15Harry DerbitskyLet us let it, let us share and we'll see what ideas we have and so on.

1:34:22Shaleia StephensYeah, absolutely.

1:34:23Harry DerbitskyAnd understand how much you mean to them as well.

1:34:26Shaleia StephensYes, we do.

1:34:28Harry DerbitskyPerhaps, Philip, you could, before we go, ask what this meet— could you just, in your own words, very short, what this meeting means to you?

1:34:48PhillipsAll right, thank you. You can hear me there?

1:34:49Harry DerbitskyYeah.

1:34:52PhillipsUm, first of all, uh, it is an excitement meeting to us because, uh, we have been sharing in different webinars, uh, with Harry and others, but this event has been grateful to us, and we are very happy for it because we expressed our feelings in sharing to the world how we feel, how much we have helped other people.

1:35:31Harry DerbitskyThe connection is weak, Phillips. The connection is weak. But we get the— Phillips, it's good. We get the idea of what you were saying, and they appreciate what you are saying very much. And maybe this— I think we will just call it right here. And thank you for the beautiful, beautiful feelings of sharing.

1:36:06PhillipsThank you.

1:36:06Harry DerbitskyIt's really been a treat. This group is— this group is powerful. This is what Sid meant. It's in the feeling. Anybody can repeat the words. Speak what you know. Leave it at that.

1:36:23BAbsolutely.

1:36:26Shaleia StephensSo how do you say thank you very much? Asante sana.

1:36:31Harry DerbitskyAsante sana.

1:36:32Shaleia StephensAsante sana, everyone. Good day, guys. Have a wonderful day. Bye, everyone. Thank you. You guys can turn yourself on if you wanted to say goodbye.

1:36:45BBye-bye.

1:36:47Sylvia KittilBye.

1:36:48Shaleia StephensBye.

1:36:48Sylvia KittilThank you so much.

1:36:50BBye.